Issue 09 - August 8, 2002

Editor: Jim Aho

In this issue:
1. Why Debunk UFOs?
2. Bray Road Beast/Chaney Beast
3. Ruby's Past Life Visions Part II
4. Gifts From Another World
5. Were Jesus and His Disciples Extraterrestrial?

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Why Debunk UFOs?

Thanks To "The Sage"

Website: FAQ ATTACK - http://home.rmci.net/thesage/

Editor's note: The following article certainly doesn't hold back any punches in its criticism of many UFO beliefs. The author is very wary of most UFO/ET ideas and strongly encourages a strictly rational approach to the whole topic.

"Science must begin with myths, and with the criticism of myths." (Sir Karl Popper)

If you standby and watch a murder take place, a murder you could have stopped and/or prevented at anytime, then you are just as guilty of murder as the person who actually committed the murder. Likewise, to allow irrational and illogical ideas go by unchallenged makes one guilty of the same immoral exploitation that those irrational and illogical ideas are used for. It is a fact that no one can talk to the dead, no one can tell the future, no one can past life regress, and ETs are not visiting us -- these are all examples of New Age gimmicks used to exploit people, not help them, because conning people into believing in these things is giving people a false hope. Their resources would be better spent elsewhere. And conning people into believing in these things is the anti-thesis of evolution because it promotes illogical and irrational behavior instead of teaching people to use their brains for what they naturally should be used for -- to think.

People's behavior is always the result of their beliefs, that is their philosophies of life, because what people believe to be real about the world around them affects how they are going to react to it. This problem is compounded by the fact that human behavior is seldom rational or logical because the unconscious mind, which is driven by those philosophies, isn't troubled about what is reasonable or logical, for it, anything that works is 'real'. This is why the psychology of people who believe in things that don't exist is important to try and understand, especially when you realize that the vast majority of beliefs harm people rather then help them. For example, during the time of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, Christians everywhere believed that it would be morally insane to calmly stand by while thousands of unbelieving people in the world were being sent to Hell at their deathbeds, so any act -- torture, maiming, burning alive, mass murder -- anything was a justifiable act if it meant having the person confess a belief in God before they died so they could go to Heaven instead of Hell. These holy Crusaders imagined God being very pleased with their actions since they were sending so many thousands of people His way to be with Him in Heaven, imagining themselves as saving the world from the Devil, never realizing the truth that they were being immoral barbarians.

This is a battle, a battle for your mind, a place where rational forces have to rally against irrational forces on a daily basis. As psychology and history have taught us, it is never wise to let irrational ideas go unchallenged for harboring irrational ideas is not the most mentally healthy thing to do. I am doing the proper thing by challenging the irrational UFO/ET ideas with rational ones. The psychology we possess allows us to become paranoid, irrational, illogical, and deluded and the UFO fad provides more evidence of that. There should be no more room for fantasy in their thinking -- not with the potential consequences of continuing to be unable to distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy for the rest of peoples lives.

Psychologically speaking, people take truth to mean 'any idea that someone believes'. They believe that believing in an idea makes it true, but truths often have little or nothing to do with facts. Facts are parts of the real world, independent of what people think or believe, independent of whether or not people know they exist, independent of whether they are accepted or not, believed or not, even liked or not. Confusing truth with fact is a common cause of clinical emotional distress.

Now I don't see a problem with people running around pretending that ET is visiting us, what I see as a problem is when people run around confusing their make-believe fantasy that ET is visiting us with actual reality, and then react to that fantasy as though it really were a fact. I can understand why people would believe in the UFO fad, because most people aren't intelligent enough to distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy. Other's just like to be where the excitement is and join the crowd. What I can't understand is why some people would be so greedy and uncaring that they would tell any nimwit whatever it is that they want to hear, just because it will bring them money -- and that's disgusting.

Tell me dear reader, is your trust something you blindly give away or is it something that must be earned? I never trust anyone until they've earned my trust because it would not be logical or intelligent to *assume* anyone is trustworthy until they prove otherwise. In fact, the scientific method is based on *never* trusting anyone on testimony alone -- it just wouldn't work. The Committee on Science and Astronautics is no exception to this rule and just because they concluded that the USAF directly deceived the public isn't proof that the US Air Force did, in fact, deceive the public. It is merely an unfounded accusation. If this committee truthfully wanted to prove that the USAF was deceiving anyone, they should have come up with direct evidence to that effect, ie -- copies of insinuating documents or confessions of inside informants to uncover a trail of evidence or so on. Just because a committee feels UFOs are real doesn't prove that the USAF knows they are real and, by illogical extension, therefore the USAF must be lying about what they do know. So again I ask, what actual evidence did the committee base their conclusion on? Their authority or their demonstrable facts? Their authority! They were saying, 'Trust us because we belong on this prestigious committee and not because we have any actual facts'. Well I don't buy it; I'm not that gullible. I want facts, not statements of authority.

I believe, not by blind faith but by logical extension of known facts, that intelligent life exists all throughout the universe. That any of this intelligent life is visiting us, is a big joke. I don't care if Albert Einstein believes in the existence of invisible pink elephants, that doesn't prove that invisible pink elephants actually exist, will it? I want facts, not Albert Einstein's comments on what he believes or 'calculates' about the existence of invisible pink elephants. Same goes for anyone else you care to list in favor of your beliefs: Dr J Allan Hynek, Dr Carl Sagan, Prof James E McDonald, Dr Robert Hall, Dr James A Harder, or Dr Donald Menzel -- these are all ordinary humans who are just telling you what you want to hear, not presenting us with any actual facts we can take home with us.

I have based my conclusions, not on what I trust or don't trust, but on a logical deduction of known facts. Everything I have listed in this FAQ is factually indisputable. There absolutely is no smoking gun, there is nothing more than reports of UFOs and not any collection of artifacts for objective examination, and the FOIA is silent on the issue of ETs. I offered my comments as a way to reach those people who have difficulty reasoning due to the conditioning of Hollywood. It is a way out for them; a way to show them that there is another more rational way of seeing things. Some people will believe regardless of any facts or lack thereof. To those people, UFOs is a religion or a way to meet cool chicks or a nice way to supplement your income when you can't find sufficient employment related to your doctorate degree. I'm not into that scene.

Once upon a time, it used to be that UFO stories mainly were about 'lights' but they have recently graduated to sexual assaults and medical exams where the abductees are tagged with implants. If a civilization technologically advanced enough to be able to traverse light-years of space were interested in our genetic material, surely they could just land on a spermbank at 3AM or take some skin scrapings or saliva samples...anything besides rape and the associated risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease even ET never heard of yet. People were sexually assaulted by incubi and sucubi for hundreds and hundreds of years before ET came along, so apparently the story is still the same, only the names of the innocent have changed.

There is a phenomenon going on here, but it has nothing to do with physical reality, but imaginary reality. Physically real phenomenon do not appear and disappear without ever leaving a trace -- by definition of the word physical, that's impossible. So these people are either lying, deluded, or stupid because there is no truth in anything they say in regards to physicalness of this phenomenon.

You don't stand a chance against us. You skeptics are all alike and repeat the same ineffective arguments over and over again. If you don't believe me, then check out this site by Winston.

Do you really expect intelligent thinking people to blindly believe that Winston couldn't find and list one single great common argument used by skeptics, because skeptics have absolutely no good or logical common arguments whatsoever? I've seen many common arguments on CSICOP that are great, yet somehow Winston was unable to find a single one? That certainly sounds like Winston has gone through a lot of trouble to construct a very misleading and prejudiced list to me. I don't believe it was because he failed to find any good arguments but that he wasn't looking for them nor was he interested in publishing anything that would appear to successfully refute his or your paranormal and visiting ET beliefs. His oversight of including even just one single of any of the really great common arguments that skeptics use, indicates that he was trying (consciously or unconsciously) to make it seem like the only common arguments skeptics have are bad ones and therefore all skeptics have absolutely no arguments that are good. Hogwash!

To misquote Ayn Rand, "UFO skeptics have a weapon against you called Reason. So you must be very sure to take it away from them. Cut the props from under it. But be careful. Don't deny outright. Never deny anything outright, you give your hand away. Don't say that reason is evil -- though some have gone that far and with astonishing success. Just say that reason is limited. That there's something above it. What? You don't have to be too clear about it either. The field's inexhaustible: 'Remote Viewing' -- 'ESP' -- 'Feeling' -- 'Revelation' -- 'Divine Intuition'. But even if you get caught at some crucial point and somebody tells you that your alleged UFO experience doesn't make sense -- you're ready for them. You tell them that there's something above sense. That here he must not try to think, he must feel. He must believe. Suspend reason and you play it deuces wild...Can we rule a thinking skeptic? UFOlogists don't want any thinking people."

Note that if you look and compare all the stories people have to say about the paranormal, the stories are very contradictory and inconsistent. If someone wants to claim that behind all that BS is a real story, how can they separate the fact from the fantasy if they have nothing but only the stories to base any claims they make? The whole paranormal phenomenon is useless noise from a scientific point of view (except maybe for the psychology of fads).

If UFOs or ghosts are real in any sense of the word other than imaginary, then just like all real objects, they should interact with their environment in some predictable way: If you can see a ghost, then should be able to clearly record the photons that reach your eyes with a camera or video recorder. If a UFO 'lands', then it should leave evidence of a landing. Of course, if they are only purely imaginary, then we would expect that even when there is a 'sighting' of a ghost or UFO, it wouldn't leave any evidence of any type of interaction with actual reality...hmmmm, I just described every ghost and UFO story to date.

In THE DEMON HAUNTED WORLD, Carl Sagan notes that if you pick up any typical UFO magazine and flip through the pages looking at the advertisements, you will find lots of ads -- not just for UFO books or UFO videos and so on -- but numerous non-UFO related things like charm kits to place spells on people you would like to influence, crystals which will cure you of anything, Ninja videos that teach invisibility and invulnerability skills, and so on. I see two common threads running throughout all these ads: The general sense of power- or helplessness that UFO believers must continually feel and the most extreme kind of credulity. And since we know that advertising executives live or die on the basis of how well they know their audience, we are pretty much guaranteed that they know their audience quite well.

My goal isn't to save the world from their inner demons, my goal is to offer a helping hand to those who are willing to accept it. It does not matter to me what happens with the UFO community as a whole, all the matters to me is that I was there to offer hope and reason to those few individuals who were looking for hope and reason at a time that they needed it most, and I have been very successful in that regard. So there is no reason for me to pack up and leave and it hasn't been a losing battle for me. Those few individuals and the future few individuals makes it all worthwhile.

Bray Road Beast/Chaney Beast

Thanks To

Editor's Note: The Bray Road Beast and the Chaney Beast are both very mysterious creatures that have been reported in the state of Wisconsin. Mary has been investigating both of them, and shares some of what she has found with us in the following article.

We've been investigating a group of Ojibwa indian braves who broke from the main tribe in disgust of the lack of action towards the white man. This group, along with a powerful medicine man, went around killing powerful men from other tribes and eating the brains to gain their knowledge. Knowing that they could not defeat the white man without assistance or in their lifetimes they did two things. First their medicine man unleashed a "windago" a beast from Ojibwa legend. It is described as taller then a man with a wolf like appearance able to walk on two legs or four, with large claws on its "hands" It also was said to have an insatiable appetite. The second thing they had a belief in was a spirit lake, a place to commit their souls to and from which they could come back in some form to this world as long it was on a common waterway.

Now this information is based off of interviews and was passed down as a oral tradition, but rumor has it a book on this tribe does exist. I'm looking for assistance in tracking some firm historical records on this tribe. I've spent the last five years and have come up with little. The Chaney Beast matches the description of the windago and is fairly active and when it is its also very aggressive. I've been chased by it several times. Footage of the beast is sketchy the best shot of it I ever got came out as a grouping of about 30 floating lights.

This beast also matches the habits and description of the Bray Road Beast and i'm wondering if they might not be linked. On my investigations I have found what may be the spirit lake, and several other phenomena that may be related.

Two teens supposedly went missing in the sixties in their father's Buick. I found a 1955 Buick in the middle of a swamp no access there but by foot. The car had 30,000 miles on the odometer and 1960 tags.

There is also a mine where a group of miners in the late 1800s disappeared in without a trace during a shift change. We had a video of a indian walking from the mouth of the shaft. The video was lost but I have eyewitnesses. About the same time a fur trader was found axed in his barn, with no motive. His life is a real interesting but long story - email me for it sometime. All these events occurred on a common waterway, the mine on a spring, the Buick is in the same swamp as the spirit lake, and the axing was on a creek fed from that swamp. Following that watershed leads you to the Chaney Beast, and at a slight stretch perhaps the Bray Road Beast also.

Many native american tribes have beliefs of putting their souls into the bodies of animals. Could this be a explanation? The Chaney Beast is not the only activity in the area. The area also has had child sacrifices and is a big ceremonial site for both Wiccans and native americans.

What I'm looking for is help in backing this up historically as I'm hitting a lot of brick walls in trying to do so. I am now working on my next book 'MYSTERIES OF THE INNER WORLD'

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Ruby's Past Life Visions Part II

Thanks To Ruby

Website: THE PUMPKIN-ORANGE ORB - http://ca.geocities.com/rubyhoney97402

Editor's Note: This is a continuation from last issue of Ruby's very interesting personal experiences.

Somewhere in between "real" experiences occurring in daily life and intense, vivid dreams that have a spiritual and emotional impact, are memories that don't, or won't, fit into any neat context. What their connection to UFOs, the paranormal and the "otherworld" is, I don't know. But these memories - most of them from childhood - nudge at me, and there is a vague veil floating around them that has a whisper of the paranormal connection to them.

CHURCH DREAM

My father lived in a small house in the Santa Cruz mountains in California. When I went up to visit him, I'd sleep in his room and he slept in the living room. Several times I would have the same dream whenever I was there. I felt very uncomfortable; I could smell incense, suffocating me. And hear chanting, in Latin, bells, just like a Catholic Church. I couldn't figure out why I was dreaming such dreams. Quite some time later I learned the house belonged to a priest who lived there for many years; he had died in that room.

THE GREEN WARTY "MAN"

I have what I call "mind postcards." An abrupt, vivid, intense picture that does not come from within me, but has been "inserted" from out there into my mind. Their appearance is so unique, so extraordinary, and so unexpected, that I can hear the "click" as it pops into my mind. I see, smell, the picture with absolute detail and knowing that it is a true precognitive visual of what will come anytime within the next 24 hours. But one time I had this "mind postcard" and it was not an esp event, but a visitor.

I was half sitting, half lying, in bed, resting. I was not asleep. I could hear the sounds from the living room; the music, my husband, etc. Out of nowhere, popped into my mind -- or I should say, I popped into the picture -- a small, lime green being.

This being was not an alien in the sense it (I got the strong impression it was a male) it was from another planet, an extraterrestrial. It was a being that lived on this earth, alongside with us, mostly unseen and unknown, but just as real as you or I.

I came upon this being, squatting in profile to me. He was about four feet tall, lime green, and covered in warts, or bumps. He turned, looked right at me, and gave me a very nasty little grin. He had always known I existed; he thought it was funny I just discovered his existence.

I screamed. When I screamed, I was "shot back" to my current reality, back on my bed, in my bedroom.

It's about here that I have to say I wasn't on drugs, or using drugs, not drunk or drinking, and, while I have read the works of Carlos Castenada for example, had not read any of the books in that series for some time when this experience occurred. It came from "nowhere," unrelated to any context.

It also was not an OOBE. I've had several of those, and this was not anything like that.

The closest experience I can relate this to is another time, when I was about 11 and I found myself without warning, projected into another time, another life:

15th CENTURY SERVING GIRL

I was about 11. In our kitchen, standing at the counter, making peanut butter and jelly sandwiched for our school lunches.

Suddenly, with complete and total unexpectedness, I find myself inside a very hot ding room, with straw on the floor, a huge fire in a stone fireplace. The tables are benches. I find myself carrying a heavy wooden tray full of bowls of some oatmeal like stuff and mugs of beer. I'm wearing a heavy, itchy brown and white dress that is too tight and too hot. I know who I am, I work here, I'm about 15, I don't know my name. I know part of me is R. now, the R. that I am at 11 in my kitchen, but also I'm someone else. I feel and hear the loudness of the place, mostly men but a few women. I can smell the stale beer, the straw, the wood of the fire.

Just as suddenly as it happened, I am "snapped" back to the kitchen. The cool, dim kitchen with its cooper fridge and white and gold formica.

I have no idea why that happened. I wasn't reading anything about that time, in fact, that era didn't appeal to me when I was a kid. I know I had a lot of OOBEs, deja vu, and I walked in my sleep a lot. Whether those things contributed or not, I don't know, or if I was remembering a past life, or what.

But it was no ordinary, mere "daydream" that's for sure.

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Gifts From Another World

Thanks To Alex

Editor's Note: Where do we go to find out more? I tried to contact Alex via email and it came back, so Alex, if you're reading this can you provide a URL so we can read your whole story?

Well I met a higher intelligent being from another world. He appeared and vanished from my sight. He showed me through a series of intense holographic like moving pictures the possible end of the world scenario and the future destiny of the entire human species. He also gave me a supernatural gift similar to telepathy. Except it also includes a certain form of mind over matter. He spoke to me about time travel, an infinite cosmos that is open ended and eternal. He showed me how to also make further future contact with this infinite higher intelligence. Unfortunately there is too much information to put here.

I would rather just tell you that you once asked for my biography on Usenet because I tried to explain the information over the course of many articles I posted.

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Were Jesus and His Disciples Extraterrestrial?

Article by Jim Aho

Website: EARS -

Editor's Note: I'd like to take this opportunity to present a theory of my own. The idea of UFOs in the Bible fascinates me and opens up a whole new set of possibilities if it is true. Keep in mind that this is my own personal opinion and not that of UFOWisconsin. I've also written a number of other articles along these lines that you can check out by visiting the EARS web site address shown above.

Most religious people and Bible scholars would agree that the center point of the Christian Bible is the life and message of Jesus Christ. Many people often wonder who he really was. Was he just another prophet? Just a man who happened to be a really good person? The very Son of God? Personally, when I read his message I see wisdom that was much before its time. He not only taught the basic spiritual principle of loving your fellow man - he also seemed to have some real insight into scientific principles:

• He demonstrated an understanding of how the human body works as evidenced with healings
• He shared knowledge of future events such as the destruction of Jerusalem and catastrophic visions of the "end times"
• He understood and saw spiritual forces that were at work in the world - forces that to this day many people don't even realize exist and mainstream science in our society is just beginning to study

The authors of the gospels recorded the events they saw surrounding the life of Christ in the best way they knew how. But they couldn't understand everything that they were seeing. Could looking at certain events during the life of Christ using our advanced knowledge of technology shed some light on what might the authors of the Biblical gospels were witnessing?

For example, consider the possible UFO accounts that are contained in the Biblical account of the life of Christ:

• The Star of Bethlehem - Was this really a "star." The stars I've seen don't move and hover over a particular house (see Matthew 2: 9-11).
• Shepherds and Angels - Even before the wise men followed the Star of Bethlehem, a group of shepherds saw quite a sky show (see Luke 2: 8-15).
• Jesus' Baptism - During Jesus baptism the gospel writer includes a visual picture of "heaven being torn open" (see Mark 1: 9-11).
• The Transfiguration - The event known as the "transfiguration" also contains some interesting details that the gospel writers seem to have had a difficult time putting into words and end up describing simply as a "bright cloud" (see Matthew 17: 1-8)
• The Ascension - This event is also interesting, as Jesus is described as literally floating into the air and disappearing into a cloud (see Acts 1:9-11).
• Jesus' Return - Jesus is recorded as predicting his physical return as an airborne phenomenon as he will return "coming on the clouds of the sky" (see Matthew 24:30)

If the examples shown above were UFO accounts, why were these UFOs following Jesus around? Why were they so involved in his life? They obviously knew who he was and where he was from. For some insight into what the answer to this question might be, let's look at what Jesus had to say about himself:



I wonder what other place he was referring to. If it's not of this world, what world is it from? I know, you're probably saying "Well you dummy, he's from heaven." Yes, I know that, but what does that term really mean? Jesus specifically says that he has a kingdom, and it is in a specific place.

Personally, while researching this article, that's not the most amazing thing I found. I knew that Jesus had said that about himself. Even more surprising is that wherever Jesus was from, it seems his disciples were also from. Check out the following passage where Jesus is referring specifically to the twelve apostles:



A very short but direct comment. Many write this off by saying that he was speaking figuratively or something like that, but I think it more likely that Jesus meant exactly what he said.

If your mind is open to the possibility that Jesus was from a kingdom that was in a specific place outside of planet earth, and that he incarnated here on a particular mission, doesn't it make sense that he'd bring along some personal assistants? This might explain some of Jesus' other actions in relation to the twelve apostles. He actually hand picked them out of a much larger group of disciples:



Do you think that perhaps he recognized them as special workers from "his kingdom" even though they did not yet realize that fact? It's also interesting that immediately after he met some of the people who he would later bring out of a larger group to be part of the twelve apostles, Jesus called them by names other than their earth-given names. The man whose parents had named "Simon son of John" Jesus instead chose to call "Cephas" which can be translated into the name we still call him today - "Peter" (see John 1:42). He called James and John the "Sons of Thunder" (Mark 3:17) - maybe that was a nickname they got in his kingdom and Jesus was referring to it then to help them recall that. This kind of "mission recall," even at a subconscious level in the minds of the disciples, could also help explain why the twelve apostles are described as immediately dropping their entire careers and following this then relatively unknown person who was roaming around the countryside.

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